TeamCalder
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I'm not responding to this thread anymore.
I'm now focussing on the race....
Focus, focus, focus.....
Come on Saturday!!!
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DaveP
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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Trevor,
I've tried to PM you today but it doesn't appear to have gone. Contact me if you want the tyres on Saturday.
Cheers
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:58 pm |
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nyssa7
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David
Just a case of me not accessing the site from work all day so didn't get the message until I came home. have responded
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:06 pm |
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nyssa7
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Car 43 excluded from results - C1.1.5 Driving in a manner not compatible with general safety or departing from the standard of a reasonably competent driver
Oo-er - what on Earth is that all about? C'mon guys, I need updates/stories/gossip/scandal/etc so I can cobble up a race report |
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Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:43 pm |
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Nick
Joined: 10 Jul 2006
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from what I have been told it was a BMW driver that has not raced with Eurosaloons before, and hopefully never will again.
Pete Chalis was shunted off by him causing big damage, I also here Simon's MG suffered a lot of damage in a seperate incident
again damage caused by so called 'Guest' drivers. when will the management learn ! |
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Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:35 pm |
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Richard Hawken
Joined: 18 May 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by nyssa7
Car 43 excluded from results - C1.1.5 Driving in a manner not compatible with general safety or departing from the standard of a reasonably competent driver
Oo-er - what on Earth is that all about? C'mon guys, I need updates/stories/gossip/scandal/etc so I can cobble up a race report
Trevor, Sara has asked that you speak to her first before we give you stories, but have to say, I wasn't impressed with the way it was handled by the circuit.
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Richard Hawken
Joined: 18 May 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Nick
from what I have been told it was a BMW driver that has not raced with Eurosaloons before, and hopefully never will again.
Pete Chalis was shunted off by him causing big damage, I also here Simon's MG suffered a lot of damage in a seperate incident
again damage caused by so called 'Guest' drivers. when will the management learn !
Nick, Pete's car is badly damaged, will need jigging sadly. Simon's car also. A real shame as both were avoidable.
The Richspeed team are looking at alternative Championships as a result. We should have a chat as I think we know where to go.
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:33 am |
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Simon_J
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Car 45 and car 45.
Car 43 excluded from results - C1.1.5 Driving in a manner not compatible with general safety or departing from the standard of a reasonably competent driver
Car 45 should have been excluded from results - Driving in a manner compatible with basically trying to kill me and failing to meet the standard of a vaguely competent driver.
I'm not going to say too much yet as I'm still pursuing the official route. I'm quite sore and stiff (and not in a gentleman's manner!) this morning and I don't have a race car anymore.
I consider it quite telling that the recovery guys were familiar with the chap sat in car 45 (I cannot bring myself to refer to him as a driver) and he has form for this sort of thing.
There has been the odd occasion in the past when drivers of faster cars than Pongo and the ZR have had cause to lap me. None of them have ever tried to kill me. It can't be that difficult!
Yasser drove a stormer on Sunday in his road legal backup race car. I got to watch the great 3 way scrap with the non-Clio cup bit of Class E from the side of the track. Hugely entertaining, just sorry I got punted off and was not part of it.
I'm incandescently annoyed. The whole incident was pointless, avoidable, unnecessary and downright bloody dangerous. |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:11 am |
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DaveP
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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Simon,
I can't express how sorry I feel for you & Fiona today. There is simply no excuse for what happened. I will await to hear the official outcome but I hope that what I heard unofficailly in the paddock from thoses in the know goes through and the "team" are banned full stop!
I didn't know about the other incidents involving Peter & Richard but it only confirms what I thought.
From my personal point of view, I have never been as concerned about my safety as when "those" cars involved came up to lap me. I know in practice that if I had not taken avoiding action, the BMW would have done the same to me through Tower.
Yasser, a true hero & gentleman. Everythng the men in black aren't!
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:03 am |
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Richard Hawken
Joined: 18 May 2005
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"Yasser, a true hero & gentleman"
indeed he is, despite indicating left and moving right...but he shook hands, and unneccesarily apologised.
Can race with gents like that every day. 
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:59 am |
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Tomcat36
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon_J
Car 45 and car 45.
Car 43 excluded from results - C1.1.5 Driving in a manner not compatible with general safety or departing from the standard of a reasonably competent driver
Car 45 should have been excluded from results - Driving in a manner compatible with basically trying to kill me and failing to meet the standard of a vaguely competent driver.
I'm not going to say too much yet as I'm still pursuing the official route. I'm quite sore and stiff (and not in a gentleman's manner!) this morning and I don't have a race car anymore.
I consider it quite telling that the recovery guys were familiar with the chap sat in car 45 (I cannot bring myself to refer to him as a driver) and he has form for this sort of thing.
There has been the odd occasion in the past when drivers of faster cars than Pongo and the ZR have had cause to lap me. None of them have ever tried to kill me. It can't be that difficult!
Yasser drove a stormer on Sunday in his road legal backup race car. I got to watch the great 3 way scrap with the non-Clio cup bit of Class E from the side of the track. Hugely entertaining, just sorry I got punted off and was not part of it.
I'm incandescently annoyed. The whole incident was pointless, avoidable, unnecessary and downright bloody dangerous.
Bloody hell Simon, did he ram you or something, never heard of the chap but googled and see he races in the CC saloon championship.
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:20 am |
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andy rob
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bad crack this, will your car not fix then simon ?
simon you are probably the most helpfull/thoughtfull driver when faster cars come up to lap you, you alway signal / point making it easy for them, knowing that you have already seen them.
sorry to hear all this
but hopfully most of us will be @ rockingham
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:47 am |
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Simon_J
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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Andy, there's several bad cracks in it !
It's looking like new shell time. Rad is toast, exhaust systems gone, new belts in order and the rear beam is bent. On the up side the entire drive train looks to have survived undamaged. I'll know the details later today.
Might just bring Pongo out for Rockingham. Not discussed that one with Team Manager yet! |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:05 pm |
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DaveP
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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So was any action taken about the accidents involving Richard & Peter?
We all lnow how special the ST cars & parts are, can they be repaired.
Did the stewards take any action or was it left to the drivers to put in a protest?
Have the team involved had action taken against them by the Circuit, MSA or anyone else or did this whole episode simply result in one exculsion???
Am I asking these questions too soon, Will it all become clear in time??? |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:18 pm |
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ALEX
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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The end of the 2nd race the paddock area looked like a salvage yard!!
What happened to your car Richard didnt realise you were involved?
Thought Keith Butcher did extremely well in his Primera!
My view is that you cant and in future shouldnt accept one-off entries where drivers are perhaps coming to a lesser championship with much quicker cars because they want silverware.And will do anything to get it! Because the drivers who have been supporting the Eurosaloons for many years might just call it a day.
We also had a very eventfull weekend and perhaps didnt get the results we should have but i think we won best flame of the day! |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:39 pm |
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Richard Hawken
Joined: 18 May 2005
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[quote="ALEX"]The end of the 2nd race the paddock area looked like a salvage yard!!
What happened to your car Richard didnt realise you were involved?
Luckily I was just behind the incident and just saw Peter hit the barrier backwards. I slowed in the 2nd half of the race due to overheating issues. Fortunately we escaped any damage this time.
Alex I agree with you re seeking other Championships...the ball has started rolling already. I am not interested in racing a rare appreciating asset (David Leslie 1997 car) in a Championship that looks at quantity and not quality. As Dave Jarmin succinctly put it " I wouldn't bring my beautiful Primera out here"
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:24 pm |
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Richard Hawken
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Originally posted by Simon_J
Andy, there's several bad cracks in it !
It's looking like new shell time. Rad is toast, exhaust systems gone, new belts in order and the rear beam is bent. On the up side the entire drive train looks to have survived undamaged. I'll know the details later today.
Might just bring Pongo out for Rockingham. Not discussed that one with Team Manager yet!
Simon for parts email marc@trents.co.uk who is the MD of the company. mention my name etc etc and he will assign somone to you to find all the parts you need. Same applies to all who may need car parts....they have the largest warehouse of parts you have ever seen. Airbus A380 hangar sized. They will then courier all the parts to you. www.trents.co.uk
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:08 pm |
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DaveP
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Just another thought about yesterdays events...
I wonder if the circuits lack of action has anything to do with the sponsorship banners located around the circuit?... |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:03 pm |
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I saw and got shots of Pete Challis and the BMW scrapping,and Pete hitting the barrier,car looked a state.
http://pistonpics.com/
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:42 pm |
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big gt2
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i was in the black 911 and after finally getting the suspension settings somewhere near was pleased to be near the front.
i dont think 1 off entries should be excluded and the championship organisers shouldnt be blamed.
the circuit should of done something saturday when the bmw hit graham in the saker.
in race 2 keith butcher got his nose chopped off 4-5 times before he got level with the bmw coming out of quarry only to be pushed onto the grass allowing me past. into camp he weaved to the right left right left an bk again, no flags to say hold your line or we are watching your driving.
i then got well alongside before being pushed towards the grass coming out of several corners, then i got up the inside coming out of quarry an was pushed towards the grass on the inside.
luckily he backed out before the chicane, i think he tapped me into camp resulting in my spin before takin out peter in the supertourer.
i know i havent raced with u guys for long but everyone i haved raced with has been fair at all times, like andy said the guys in the slower classes are all gents when we come to lap them, sorry to see what happened to several expensive cars |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:49 pm |
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Almaghrbi
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
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I feel very sad for Simon and what happened. I was right behind him when he was taken out and similar incident would have never happened if we were being lapped by Gentlemen like Peter and Richard.
I add my voice that action should be taken here. I intend and expect to drive my car to the track and back and I am certainly not interested to take part in unsafe competition!!! |
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:20 pm |
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TeamCalder
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It would be a shame to boycott the championship when its only a small percent that spoil it for the rest.
It is difficult for class a and e to have their own battles when inevitably a laps e close to the end of the race and everyone is on an adrenalin burst. I know I've accidentally chopped leaders but believe me I don't do it maliciously, its not easy to judge closing speeds in a rapidly vibrating rear view mirror and you're a few tenths behind.
Occasionally there will be incidents. But, we should try to weed out those who don't want to drive with respect for others. Is this time to vet entrants. Anyone driving wrecklessly should be banned until they get a life.
Before the race there was a really nice atmosphere. Everyone really looking forward to it and really up for it. Race 1 was a great display of how to entertain and be entertained from where I was watching. We really want to keep that.
So my view is that tougher action should be taken on the few who spoil it for the rest. Perhaps they should pay the cost of the damage they've unnecessarily inflicted if they are found guilty. That'll make them think harder.
Simon you are a real gent, very fair and skilful, properly professional. Hope to see you at Rockingham.
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:58 pm |
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droberts
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 Dreadfully sorry to hear about the car Simon, and glad you suffered no injuries.
I trust Peter Challis was also unhurt?
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:23 am |
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Hammersley
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Likewise Dave! |
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